Whats the different's of using HCG in a PCT then only do Clomid and Nolvadex ?
Whats the different's of using HCG in a PCT then only do Clomid and Nolvadex ?
HCG is supposed to be used ''DURING'' cycle to maintain testicular size so they will be able to bounce back into function more easily when comming of.
So most people would say that HCG is NOT for PCT, its to be taken DURING cycle.
But like with most things, opinions vary from person to person if HCG is really effective or not.
Except for the time when SERM/AI are being used to restore the HPTA, hCG use is best. In other words, during the cycle as well as the time after for the AAS to clear.Originally Posted by Ari
In simple words HCG during cycle will save your balls from atrophy.
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During the cycle? Specifically, at what point would I run HCG? Let's say on a 12 week blast.
Blast as in Blast & Cruise?
If it's a blast...then there's gonna be a cruise? Which means trt? What has your doctor told you? Shouldn't you already be on hcg if on trt?
If not, and you just meant a cycle. It should be used for the length of the cycle.
OK.... My understanding is HCG is excellent for "normalizing" the body coming off a cycle. I also understand that because I blast and cruise, HCG is not overly helpful. (Note. I also run HGH all year dosing up and down from 2iu on cruise and 6 iu on a blast) matching my gear cycle.
So, I've heard conflicting theories. Would someone on 500mg testosterone enthanate each week need hcg on cycle and post cycle to ensure a full recovery of their endogenous testosterone production? Or would Nolvadex with Aromasin be sufficient afterwards?
With a normal baseline and a single cycle, recovery will occur with nothing. SERM/hCG will help minimize or prevent ASIH.
The problem comes about is who does a single cycle.
Would it recommended that hcg be used during or after cycle having used NPP with sustanon?
hCG during to keep testicular function, keeping them during makes more sense than bringing them back from the dead after. It also depends on the length of cycle, long cycles one would be foolish not to use hCG IMO.
I'd say yes, isn't NPP Nandrolone? Therefore, particularly surpressive?
See, what confuses me, is why, if recovery is effortless after one cycle, why wouldn't it be as easy if one took as long as they cycled off, or a bit more time? Maybe twice that time, keeping at maintenance? I'd assume there'd be plenty of time to go back to baseline. And let's say it was 15 weeks. It'd be fine, correct?
Sure is its a phenylproprionate ester short! I understand use of HCG on cycle to maintain testicular function to a degree but why switch back on the testes only to shut them off once testosterone is pinned again? Would it not make more sense to leave them off and kickstart them again through the use of HCG before commencing pct?
But then, the testes are shut off for a long period. The problem is in that your lh restores rather quickly, within 2-3 weeks. This is what hcg mimics, and acts as an agonist of. Endogenous testosterone however, takes longer to restore, and it may not return to baseline as easily after adjusting to being so low. So, the HCG would be utilized on cycle (each other day, is generally favorable) in order to prevent the testosterone from atrophying too far down. Leaving a more stable base of endogenous testosterone to recover from upon the ceasing of HCG, as the body's own GnRH, and thus LH/FSH kick in.
Last edited by Will; 8th October 2015 at 09:15 AM.
HCG has a long half life. 24 hours. There's no problem with turning the leydig cells on and off despite what many aas users state, I would imagine. It's one of the most useful compounds for keeping your body's testosterone there while running suppressive compounds.
Oh. And no, testosterone pinning would not shut the testicles off. Imagine the whole system like a valve. From the GnRH of Hypothalamus, to the Pituitary. Which sends LH and FSH to make testes produce testosterone. If you're mimicking LH, with HCG as an agonist, there is no particular hormone I've heard of to inverse this and bring testosterone, or HCG levels down. Thus, HCG wouldn't be nullified when next pinning testosterone.
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