on cycle for two years

[Algornel]

ok I have been cycling for two years.

normally I'm 12-16 weeks on and 10-14 weeks cruise on 250-400mg testosterone/week

I must come off cycle I have stomach problems - heartburn and helicobacter pylori - I simply can't eat so much anymore
also i have back problems and must fix both these problems before I start training and lifting heavy over again.

I have not done PCT in two years lol


i've never used exemestane

i'm trying to find drugs and doses - thinking about the length of my cycle i'm not really sure on best drugs and doses.

i'm just coming to the end of a 12 week testosterone 850mg, equipose 800mg deca durabolin 700mg cycle

funds are no problem - i'm just looking for the very best pct.

[Godzilla]

My first idea is to use the HCG for the rest of your cycle, then nolvadex, clomid, and exemestane for PCT.

[Idealer]

ok I have been cycling for two years.

normally I'm 12-16 weeks on and 10-14 weeks cruise on 250-400mg testosterone/week

I must come off cycle I have stomach problems - heartburn and helicobacter pylori - I simply can't eat so much anymore
also i have back problems and must fix both these problems before I start training and lifting heavy over again.

I have not done PCT in two years lol


i've never used exemestane

i'm trying to find drugs and doses - thinking about the length of my cycle i'm not really sure on best drugs and doses.

i'm just coming to the end of a 12 week testosterone 850mg, equipose 800mg deca durabolin 700mg cycle

funds are no problem - i'm just looking for the very best pct.

Have you used any HCG during your cycle, or during cruise?

[Algornel]

yes normally a little bit at the end of my blast.

however only something like 500iu/EOD for 15 days.

[AdamW]

yes normally a little bit at the end of my blast.

however only something like 500iu/EOD for 15 days.

Did your testes shrink? Or have you ever had testicular atrophy in this two year AAS cycle?

[mandingo]

I am going to watch this thread closely, because I have not seen such a long cycle except the TRT members.

[Idealer]

ok I have been cycling for two years.

normally I'm 12-16 weeks on and 10-14 weeks cruise on 250-400mg testosterone/week

I must come off cycle I have stomach problems - heartburn and helicobacter pylori - I simply can't eat so much anymore
also i have back problems and must fix both these problems before I start training and lifting heavy over again.

I have not done PCT in two years lol


i've never used exemestane

i'm trying to find drugs and doses - thinking about the length of my cycle i'm not really sure on best drugs and doses.

i'm just coming to the end of a 12 week testosterone 850mg, equipose 800mg deca durabolin 700mg cycle

funds are no problem - i'm just looking for the very best pct.

I can't see how you're getting away without TRT..

[Lawrence]

2 years or on cycle? I am going to have to agree with above poster. You have most likely set your self up for TRT. sorry mate.

Anyway, you should speak to an Endocrinologist (as money is not a problem) they'd be the best one to monitor your efforts at restarting your HPTA. I'd absolutely want a professional monitoring my blood work in a case such as this.

[BiggYu]

interesting thread, I am going to follow this.

[Steven]

It is possible to bounce back, I have seen some get well after a lot more than two years, however this really is individual. You might have saved your self from TRT using HCG while "blastin". However, if testicular disfunction has set in totally, you are gonna have difficulties.

My suggestion is to stay on a very low dose of Testosteron E 100-150mg a week, then use HCG at 500 iu/day for 2-3 week with Arimidex 0.5 mg a day or Aromasin 10 mg-EOD. That will kick your balls in to action once again and perhaps stimulate the leydig cells in to producing natural Testosterone.

Start using the AI on day 14-21, when your testes recover volume and size. However I would be inclined to start it at 21 days.

You will need some Toremifene and Clomid. If you can't deal with the Clomid side effects, use Tamoxifene at 20 mg a day.

Toremifene 120-120-100-60-60-60
Clomid 100-50-25-25-25-25

Get blood work done about six week after that and if your testosterone is still low go see an Endocrinologist, you might need TRT.

[Algornel]

It is possible to bounce back, I have seen some get well after a lot more than two years, however this really is individual. You might have saved your self from TRT using HCG while "blastin". However, if testicular disfunction has set in totally, you are gonna have difficulties.

My suggestion is to stay on a very low dose of Testosteron E 100-150mg a week, then use HCG at 500 iu/day for 2-3 week with Arimidex 0.5 mg a day or Aromasin 10 mg-EOD. That will kick your balls in to action once again and perhaps stimulate the leydig cells in to producing natural Testosterone.

Start using the AI on day 14-21, when your testes recover volume and size. However I would be inclined to start it at 21 days.

You will need some Toremifene and Clomid. If you can't deal with the Clomid side effects, use Tamoxifene at 20 mg a day.

Toremifene 120-120-100-60-60-60
Clomid 100-50-25-25-25-25

Get blood work done about six week after that and if your testosterone is still low go see an Endocrinologist, you might need TRT.

my testicles never went smaller during a cycle - atleast haven't noticed that
so i guess that is a positive thing

so you're saying run testosterone 100-150 mg/week ONLY while i'm using the hcg?
you didn't specify when should I stop the testosterone?

[Algornel]

I can also handle clomid side effects no issues with that - i was thinking about using both nolvadex and clomid together? i've never heard about Toremifene? what is it?

i'm definitely really concerned about my libido
i've a sexy, lovely gf and don't nat to lose her.

[stuplz]

I can also handle clomid side effects no issues with that - i was thinking about using both nolvadex and clomid together? i've never heard about Toremifene? what is it?

i'm definitely really concerned about my libido
i've a sexy, lovely gf and don't nat to lose her.

well I really hope your relationship is not based on just sex, because then you are screwed

[Steven]

You can use PT-141, viagra, cialis.

Toremifene Citrate. It is a really good SERM at restarting the hypotholamus.

Keep the Testosterone going now 100 - 150 mg/week, then use the HCG as I mentioned with an Arimidex or Aromasin. Then start PCT with a combo of SERM's. After about 6 weeks do bloodwork.

[Algornel]

You can use PT-141, viagra, cialis.

Toremifene Citrate. It is a really good SERM at restarting the hypotholamus.

Keep the Testosterone going now 100 - 150 mg/week, then use the HCG as I mentioned with an Arimidex or Aromasin. Then start PCT with a combo of SERM's. After about 6 weeks do bloodwork.

Cheers mate, hope this will help.

[Algornel]

i'm going to do my last injection of Testosterone E , equipose and nandrolone
then I will do 3 weeks of hcg 500/day with arimidex 0.5 mg/day
will be running testosterone p at 50 mg/day for three weeks - I would like to add some masteron (drostanolone prop) - 100 mg/EOD at this point cause i'm going to do a three week low carbohydrate diet.
in order i can include the carbohydrates in pct and bounce back

[Algornel]

What do you think about adding tribulus? Is it a good idea? Because I have read that it can actually be suppressive to your HPTA in large doses.

[Steven]

What do you think about adding tribulus? Is it a good idea? Because I have read that it can actually be suppressive to your HPTA in large doses.

Yes you can use Tribulus, it will raise your libido.

[Algornel]

is that 120 toremifene for week 1, 120 for week 2 etc.
or is that day 1, day 2 etc?

also is it worth running nolvadex and clomid plus the toremifene
how do you think??

[Jass]

is that 120 toremifene for week 1, 120 for week 2 etc.
or is that day 1, day 2 etc?

also is it worth running nolvadex and clomid plus the toremifene
how do you think??

They are the everyday and every week values... week 1 and 2=120mg of toremifene everyday

You don't need to use clomid/nolvadex/toremifene. That is just too many SERM's. You can choose between clomid and tamox. I'd stick with clomid however (if you can deal with the side effects).