I typically take leucine followed by a whey protein after a ghrp/mod dose.
My current whey protein has about 5gs of carbs and 3gs of fats per scoop. Would this blunt my GH release or are these small amounts negligible in this regard?
I'm always worried that powders don't meet label claims too so hopefully this stuff isn't half maltodextrin. (tastes almost TOO good)
Could be, maybe not. If it is really a concern just wait 20mins to eat after dosing peptides
I'm under the impression that a lot of the anabolism from peptides (or at least some) comes from the amino acid spike during the period of elevated growth hormone. I'd like to get the most from this...
Does anyone know if that small amount of carbs and protein blunts GH release? Or is that only a concern when you consume higher amounts?
Why don't you just get a pure whey isolate with zero carbs and fats? or just take the leucine and don't have the shake for 20min.
Yes fats and carbs will blunt the release.Originally Posted by hulk
Simple... Just take some leucine with your peps and then wait 20 minutes. After 20 min it doesn't matter what your shake has in it.
My process has been:
Peptides
Wait 20 mins
5g L Leucine + 30g Glucose
Wait 10 mins
Why Protein Isolate
Normal food intake
Is this incorrect?
You can take your Leucine with peps - no need to wait.
Exactly what Adam said. The leucine only.
You still need to wait 20min before ingesting the glucose, and also the WPI (unless you have really clean WPI that has zero carbs and zero fat. If it is clean WPI, you can take it soon after the leucine. Just give the leucine a small head start, like 5min or so.)
Will the leucine taken 20 mins before the whey still bump up the protein synthesis of the whey?
I guess the better question in all this is what is the absolute best protocol for anabolism?
Peps with leucine then ultra clean isolate 10 mins later? Then if not peps with leucine and protein 20 mins later? Or perhaps peps then twenty minutes later 5 gs of leucine + 30 gs glucose and then protein 10 minutes later?
Or maybe there isn't really a huge difference as long as the protein/leucine is there at some point?
I have been using the Leucine and glucose together for that insulin spike.Sounds like I need to change my process. Leucine immediately and then the glucose, WPI 20 mins later? The WPI has "virtually" no fats or carbs. I've been told before that it's low enough to be considered ok to use. But it does have a list of aminos I think that will affect the Leucine won't it?Sorry for the confusion. Want to get the most out of things here so I'm looking for some guidance.
Other aminos in whey will interfere with the effect of Leucine, thats why its best to take it on its own. But if you do not care about any special effects from leucine, you can take a carb/fat free whey protein drink directly after peps (or any carb/fat free protein).
Maybe I need to go out and buy the proper protein. Take the Leucine and the protein together straight after the peps. Do I still take the glucose 20 mins later? Does it serve any purpose then?
Separately, not together.
I'll get this right eventually. Hopefully?
Peps + Leuicine
Protein + 5 minutes
Glucose and regular food + 20 minutes
My favorite way:
Leucine during workout.
Protein + peps PWO.
Solid food (no glucose, carbs optional) 20-120 min later.
OK that makes good sense. Do you just drink your leucine in some water? The stuff is horrid haha Also how many grams do you take?
So by you saying no glucose, sounds like it's useless?
As little as possible. I do not know the recommended amount of fat and carb to take if you are using peptides, but one thing is for sure, you should minmize your fat and carb consumption as much as possible.
I agree with you. Carbs and fact can make peptides less effective. As much as possible, people should not give in to their cravings. They need to practice discipline if they are serious about reaching their goals.
20 minutes? If you are not sure with what you are saying, I guess it is better not to give a piece of advice as you might lead other users to do the wrong thing. The standard interval time for eating and injecting peptides is 1 hour, not 20 minutes.
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