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[onemanarmy]

hello
my friend would like to try it for recreational reasons. he doesnt have a medical condition"" but he would like to be able to 'roll' for more than once\twice a night with his girl.

-why all the sites that are selling online"" are so "underground" they give no details about their location\factory\imployees all that seems fishy to me.
makes you wonder if the product is really US\CANADA made or its all just chinese stuff with USA MADE stickers on them.

-if it really is chinese that sold everywhere then is it safe?
how well the chinese makes it?
do they must have all the safety standarts and regulation like any other over the counter"" medicine? or its all murky grounds?

-is it possible to get this thourgh airport for travel?
any tips and tricks?

cheers"" and have a fantastic day everyone.*

[Semin]

Welcome onemanarmy, hopefully pt-141 will help your friend. Vendors which do enough volume, and are located in your country...likely have no reason to import from China (there is no cost or quality benefit in 2015). Even still, there has never been a trend of fraudulent or illegitimate products on the market to my knowledge. Sellers who will sell to onemanarmy have reason to not disclose their location/employees as they are operating illegally by selling to unqualified buyers. Rule of thumb for travel is to place in checked baggage. Best of luck!

[onemanarmy]

hi and thank for the reply.

what iam thinking is that there are no manufactors in the US\CANADA that are selling recreationaly at all!
maybe it is all imported from china.

my friend emailed a big chinese producer of peptides and she said so herself that most big site shes working with are "manipulating" the manufacturer stamp claiming US made when its actually chinese.
the prices the sites are buying are very cheap ranging from 7-8$ for vial of 10mg and selling them at 30-40$ a piece.

why an anonymous vendor will buy US made pep for 20$ and sell for 30$ when* he can buy at 7$ and sell for 30$. there is no way to know where it came from.

he dont have issues with chinese made he thinks they can be quality products. or are they?

what do you think?

as for travel, my friend travels light with only one bag on my back that he go on the plane with. in that case any ideas? maybe the regular medicine department in the bag where the toothpaste is?
this shouldnt be illegal in the worst case it is inspected right?

[Semin]

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hi and thank for the reply.

what iam thinking is that there are no manufacturers in the US\CANADA that are selling recreationally at all!
maybe it is all imported from china.
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This is where you are mistaken as there are many suppliers/manufacturers who turn a blind eye.... Only a newbie/part-time vendor who resides in America would source from China (the opportunity is there whether you thank advances in peptide synthesis and/or e-commerce imho).

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my friend emailed a big chinese producer of peptides and she said so herself that most big site shes working with are "manipulating" the manufacturer stamp claiming US made when its actually chinese.
the prices the sites are buying are very cheap ranging from 7-8$ for vial of 10mg and selling them at 30-40$ a piece.

why an anonymous vendor will buy US made pep for 20$ and sell for 30$ when* he can buy at 7$ and sell for 30$. there is no way to know where it came from.

he dont have issues with chinese made he thinks they can be quality products. or are they?

what do you think?
"

I think it is a sales tactic that is entirely logical to make had you be a Chinese distributor, however it is false (as there are $10 peps made in America who further cut costs as it's cheaper to finance & ship local). That said, the China products are often on par or better than those made in the USA...you're right, you will not be able to tell where in the world your peptides are manufactured.

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as for travel, my friend travels light with only one bag on my back that he go on the plane with. in that case any ideas? maybe the regular medicine department in the bag where the toothpaste is?
this shouldn't be illegal in the worst case it is inspected right?
"

Dose before departure as it is not worth the hassle/risk of being caught with unlicensed medicine.

[onemanarmy]

where do you guys recommend buying from?
is there US\chinese made preference?

which is better sodium chloride 0.9 or bac water? (sodium chloride is easier to get)

[jim c]

would not recommend the use of* 141 recreational use as study's have found out men who use ED drugs for recreational use are three times more likely to develop ED in the future, grant the study* did not include 141 but the affects could be the same , there is also a risk of developing physical addiction to them, I would recommend that your friend get a tube of prolong instead.

[Semin]

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which is better sodium chloride 0.9 or bac water? (sodium chloride is easier to get)
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Buy local if you are able. Sodium chloride .9% is equal to bacteriostatic water as it relates to PT-141 usage. Best of luck!

[onemanarmy]

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would not recommend the use of* 141 recreational use as study's have found out men who use ED drugs for recreational use are three times more likely to develop ED in the future, grant the study* did not include 141 but the affects could be the same , there is also a risk of developing physical addiction to them, I would recommend that your friend get a tube of prolong instead.
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thanks for the reply jim

ive read some of those studies and they show these risks when taking drugs that work on phosphodiesterase 5 inhibitors like viagra cialis etc.
i dont know if theres a connection between these phosphodiesterase 5 inhibitors and pt141.
but thanks for bringing this up.

anyone else using pt recreationaly or most have ed problem?
would be interested in hearing from those who are using it for more than 1 year without any issues.

*

[jim c]

I've been using for a couple of years but started using it because age has crept up on me and can't get it up without help anymore .

[peptideguru]

Most companies, as our is, is 'underground' because they are branches of a peptide synthesis company that also run legal operations. If we were to disclose details then it would affect trading and cause issues with authoritative bodies.
You can normally tell the importers and resellers by their sites, their use of English and the knowledge of the products.


[hr]



I've used PT141 on and off for about 1.5 years - purely recreationally.


When I started it would be once weekly/fortnightly but now is every month or two. I've not noticed any adverse affects as of yet as I'm still fine without it, but it's a relatively short time frame and who knows what'll happen years down the line.


I think the advantage with PT141 is the fact its acts differently to PDE5 inhibitors - but with no studies who knows.


I also can't comment on the addiction side of things, but I've not experienced/heard anything, and would also assume it's just as addictive as MT2, which is to say not at all, or not very.

Regards,
Tom

[jim c]

addiction was the wrong word I should have said a physical/psychological dependency from my reading the use of ED drugs if not needed can cause a performance anxiety to set in , leading the user to think he needs the drug when in truth he don't in reality need it , I would think the same dependency would come from using 141 as a recreational drug.

[peptideguru]

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addiction was the wrong word I should have said a physical/psychological dependency from my reading the use of ED drugs if not needed can cause a performance anxiety to set in , leading the user to think he needs the drug when in truth he don't in reality need it , I would think the same dependency would come from using 141 as a recreational drug.
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I see what you mean - and I think I do agree slightly. After the first few uses you do feel more inclined to use it on a regular basis, as do quite a lot of people from reading these forums. There's a certain appeal to the additional performance that leaves your normal self 'lacking'.


My main advantage was knowing the peptide and how to use it effectively that probably stopped me falling into the normal trap of PT141 users.
Frequent dosing quickly leads to a desensitization of the peptide in your system, rendering it anywhere between ineffective and useless. This generally causes people to up their dosage further and just compounds the problem.




It works most effectively dosing no more than once weekly and slowly increasing dosage as you need, not feel.
I've noticed no diminishing returns since I've hit the 1.5mg mark about a year ago, and every injection gives me the same results, 2-4 hour onset with ~10 hours of effect.


I feel there is an opportunity for people who haven't researched and/or looking for a miracle cure to abuse the peptide and pretty much ruin it for themselves indefinitely.
As for the OP - I'd recommend getting your friend to have a good read through all the documentation he can find, or to drop me a PM with any questions as I'd be more than happy to help out.


Tom

[jim c]

Tom what you said about abusing the peptide is the truth think back to the steroid use there wasn't one 1 in 1000 that used them correctly and now look what has happened to a large percent of them, in the end use of any drug comes down to the end user , and that's where the most of the problems come from.

[Mnyte]

Companies have to be discrete and not disclose any information. They are selling these peptides to you illegally, so they have to protect themselves. As for the product manufacturing country, some may be from China, but there are no obligations to inform people. It is easier to induce people to buy them if they came from the US.

[mickella18]

Great responses here, really helpful. Thank you all so much.

[Sunflogun]

Companies have to be discrete and not disclose any information. They are selling these peptides to you illegally, so they have to protect themselves. As for the product manufacturing country, some may be from China, but there are no obligations to inform people. It is easier to induce people to buy them if they came from the US.

Yep, that is the fact. I do wonder why peptides aren't still approved for general usage. Eventually trials and studies are being made to see side effects, these situations can go on and on for years.

[Godzilla]

Yep, that is the fact. I do wonder why peptides aren't still approved for general usage. Eventually trials and studies are being made to see side effects, these situations can go on and on for years.

what I think it's huuuuuge bussiness to prescribe pills that doesn't work and try to keep illegal - stuff that actually works...

[Mnyte]

Yeah, I am also interested in starting to use this peptide. Thanks for the wonderful information, I will just further research it before use.

[Sunflogun]

what I think it's huuuuuge bussiness to prescribe pills that doesn't work and try to keep illegal - stuff that actually works...

The same is happening with homeopathy, acupuncture, osteopathy and other areas that are effective, they are always being kept down in the name of profit!

[mooray]

Hold your brakes. Dont buy it from the Chinese. Importing it will be a lot of trouble. Just try to find a local supplier who will be more convenient.